Comments on: Reluctant Reformation http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/ Just the thoughts of some Lutheran guy. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:33:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: New Lutheran http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/comment-page-1/#comment-33 New Lutheran Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:27:25 +0000 http://somelutheranguy.com/?p=32#comment-33 "Tradition, comfort and history are only valuable in that through them we can relate to our neighbor and make them feel comfortable. If those things become barriers to the people we should be focusing on, then Christ calls us to find a way to bring the Gospel to them."<br><br>This is a great concept, but I've had something else on my mind when it comes to history and tradition. I actually think history and tradition has a lot of value for the church when it comes to connecting the modern church with its beginnings. My main issue with the Lutheran church is that we're GREAT at connecting today's church with The Reformation, Luther, and the church of the 1500's. But sadly, we pretty much suck at connecting today's church with the *ancient* church. How can we know where we're going if we don't understand how or why we were created? It would be like trying to understand God's plan for humanity, but first ripping out Genesis. Without Genesis, we won't understand that God breathed life into us, created us for His purpose, and we have all failed to live up to this purpose. By focusing so much on only the RECENT (1500's) history of the Lutheran church, many are missing the much bigger picture of what we're a part of.<br><br>We're a part of an ancient and global body of believers. A conversation that began with the voice of God as He spoke life into us is continued now through His creation. It's a beautiful story that we get to be a part of, but we need to start the story at the beginning.<br><br><br>"I think rather than talking about reformation, we ought to actually do it."<br><br>Dude, you have no idea... you should move to Atlanta. You'll see what I mean soon enough. :) “Tradition, comfort and history are only valuable in that through them we can relate to our neighbor and make them feel comfortable. If those things become barriers to the people we should be focusing on, then Christ calls us to find a way to bring the Gospel to them.”

This is a great concept, but I've had something else on my mind when it comes to history and tradition. I actually think history and tradition has a lot of value for the church when it comes to connecting the modern church with its beginnings. My main issue with the Lutheran church is that we're GREAT at connecting today's church with The Reformation, Luther, and the church of the 1500's. But sadly, we pretty much suck at connecting today's church with the *ancient* church. How can we know where we're going if we don't understand how or why we were created? It would be like trying to understand God's plan for humanity, but first ripping out Genesis. Without Genesis, we won't understand that God breathed life into us, created us for His purpose, and we have all failed to live up to this purpose. By focusing so much on only the RECENT (1500's) history of the Lutheran church, many are missing the much bigger picture of what we're a part of.

We're a part of an ancient and global body of believers. A conversation that began with the voice of God as He spoke life into us is continued now through His creation. It's a beautiful story that we get to be a part of, but we need to start the story at the beginning.

“I think rather than talking about reformation, we ought to actually do it.”

Dude, you have no idea… you should move to Atlanta. You'll see what I mean soon enough. :)

]]> By: New Lutheran http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/comment-page-1/#comment-8 New Lutheran Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:27:25 +0000 http://somelutheranguy.com/?p=32#comment-8 "Tradition, comfort and history are only valuable in that through them we can relate to our neighbor and make them feel comfortable. If those things become barriers to the people we should be focusing on, then Christ calls us to find a way to bring the Gospel to them."<br><br>This is a great concept, but I've had something else on my mind when it comes to history and tradition. I actually think history and tradition has a lot of value for the church when it comes to connecting the modern church with its beginnings. My main issue with the Lutheran church is that we're GREAT at connecting today's church with The Reformation, Luther, and the church of the 1500's. But sadly, we pretty much suck at connecting today's church with the *ancient* church. How can we know where we're going if we don't understand how or why we were created? It would be like trying to understand God's plan for humanity, but first ripping out Genesis. Without Genesis, we won't understand that God breathed life into us, created us for His purpose, and we have all failed to live up to this purpose. By focusing so much on only the RECENT (1500's) history of the Lutheran church, many are missing the much bigger picture of what we're a part of.<br><br>We're a part of an ancient and global body of believers. A conversation that began with the voice of God as He spoke life into us is continued now through His creation. It's a beautiful story that we get to be a part of, but we need to start the story at the beginning.<br><br><br>"I think rather than talking about reformation, we ought to actually do it."<br><br>Dude, you have no idea... you should move to Atlanta. You'll see what I mean soon enough. :) “Tradition, comfort and history are only valuable in that through them we can relate to our neighbor and make them feel comfortable. If those things become barriers to the people we should be focusing on, then Christ calls us to find a way to bring the Gospel to them.”

This is a great concept, but I've had something else on my mind when it comes to history and tradition. I actually think history and tradition has a lot of value for the church when it comes to connecting the modern church with its beginnings. My main issue with the Lutheran church is that we're GREAT at connecting today's church with The Reformation, Luther, and the church of the 1500's. But sadly, we pretty much suck at connecting today's church with the *ancient* church. How can we know where we're going if we don't understand how or why we were created? It would be like trying to understand God's plan for humanity, but first ripping out Genesis. Without Genesis, we won't understand that God breathed life into us, created us for His purpose, and we have all failed to live up to this purpose. By focusing so much on only the RECENT (1500's) history of the Lutheran church, many are missing the much bigger picture of what we're a part of.

We're a part of an ancient and global body of believers. A conversation that began with the voice of God as He spoke life into us is continued now through His creation. It's a beautiful story that we get to be a part of, but we need to start the story at the beginning.

“I think rather than talking about reformation, we ought to actually do it.”

Dude, you have no idea… you should move to Atlanta. You'll see what I mean soon enough. :)

]]> By: SomeAtheistGuy http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/comment-page-1/#comment-7 SomeAtheistGuy Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:38:36 +0000 http://somelutheranguy.com/?p=32#comment-7 Some people who go through the trouble of pulling their traditions, church culture, and comfort out by the roots and take a skeptical looks at it all decide that they'd rather just throw the whole mess out and replant something more fruitful.<br>I'm really looking forward to this blog and the discussion I hope it generates. Some people who go through the trouble of pulling their traditions, church culture, and comfort out by the roots and take a skeptical looks at it all decide that they'd rather just throw the whole mess out and replant something more fruitful.
I'm really looking forward to this blog and the discussion I hope it generates.

]]> By: Katie Eul http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Katie Eul Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:28:52 +0000 http://somelutheranguy.com/?p=32#comment-4 This made me think of the song "We are the Church," the line "the church it is the people, living out their lives. Called, enlightened and sanctified for the work of Jesus Christ." I think churches forget that everyone is apart of the church, not just the pastor, the council, or the devoted volunteers but everyone. The church isn't stationary and soley located in one spot. The church is everywhere. And like you said we need to bring the church to the world. This made me think of the song “We are the Church,” the line “the church it is the people, living out their lives. Called, enlightened and sanctified for the work of Jesus Christ.” I think churches forget that everyone is apart of the church, not just the pastor, the council, or the devoted volunteers but everyone. The church isn't stationary and soley located in one spot. The church is everywhere. And like you said we need to bring the church to the world.

]]> By: Brit Windel http://somelutheranguy.com/2009/11/03/reluctant-reformation/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Brit Windel Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:58:13 +0000 http://somelutheranguy.com/?p=32#comment-3 Great reminder that life is about action and a call to live not absence from it to wait for death. A reformation is an ever ready need for the community of God. we still don't have it right so we must rely on his spirit to lead us to reformed in his image and his kingdom. great thoughts Ray Great reminder that life is about action and a call to live not absence from it to wait for death. A reformation is an ever ready need for the community of God. we still don't have it right so we must rely on his spirit to lead us to reformed in his image and his kingdom. great thoughts Ray

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